How Far PGA Tour Players Hit Every Club In The Bag

The latest Trackman data has revealed the average distances and speeds from shots hit on the PGA Tour

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In this age of ultra-long hitters and ever-increasing technology among the golf-equipment sector, the distances and speeds in the professional game continue to go one way - up.

It is not quite the same among the amateur population , however, with Arccos data via the USGA and R&A in March 2022 revealing that the average male golfer - with a handicap - hits their total drive around 215 yards , a number that has remained relatively consistent over the past five years. Meanwhile, in the women's game, the average total-driving distance for players of all abilities is just shy of 148 yards.

But the latest numbers released by Trackman show that PGA Tour professionals are sending it a long way past that, as you would expect. The average carry distance for a PGA Tour pro with a driver in hand during 2023 was 282 yards.

Their club speed was usually around 115mph with a driver and the resulting ball speed averages 171mph, reaching a max height of just 35 yards off the ground.

Despite a 33-yard drop-off between driver and 3-wood, in regard to carry, PGA Tour players are still averaging 249 yards carry with the latter and bettering the average distance your leading amateur can manage with the big dog.

Rory McIlroy holds his finish on a drive

Rory McIlroy is the longest average driver on the PGA Tour and is known for his high ball-flight

From 3-wood down, between 5-13 yards of carry was lost as you move through the bag. PGA Tour players typically hit a 5-wood 236 yards in 2023, while - surprisingly - the number dropped to just 231 with a hybrid.

The numbers between the two aforementioned clubs are particularly interesting to take a closer look at, with players generating 106mph club speed with a 5-wood and 102mph with a hybrid. The angle of attack was almost identical, and the smash factor for both clubs was exactly the same at 1.47 out of 1.5.

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Ball speed differed by 7mph (156mph - 5w/149mph Hy) but the spin rate difference was much more noticeable at 4322rpm for the 5-wood and 4587rpm for the hybrid. Ultimately, though, the total carry resulted in just a five yard drop off for the shorter club.

Moving into the irons, PGA Tour players averaged 218 yards carry with a 3-iron (100mph CHS/145mph BS) and 199 yards with a 5-iron (96mph CHS/135mph BS), and as the club becomes shorter - predictably - so do the numbers.

When looking at the 7-iron, the total carry distance on the PGA Tour was 176 yards thanks to 92mph club speed and 123mph ball speed. PGA Tour players struck their shortest club - the pitching wedge - around 142 yards (carry) in 2023, according to the Trackman data.

Updated PGA Tour Averages released by @TrackManGolf It’s been a while since they have released updated CHS, distances, AOA, launch angles etcBookmark for future reference and see how you compare 👊🏼 pic.twitter.com/iyySMw41xZ May 2, 2024

HOW FAR DO PGA TOUR PLAYERS HIT EVERY CLUB IN THE BAG?

Data: Trackman, 2024

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At GolfCave, we’re committed to providing our members with the best tools and information to improve their game. That's why we're thrilled to share the latest updates from TrackMan, featuring the new Tour Averages. This data reflects the most recent insights from top professional golf tours, helping you stay informed and competitive.

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TrackMan’s dedicated team has been working tirelessly to gather data from a wide range of professional players. Utilizing cutting-edge TrackMan technology, every swing and shot is captured with pinpoint accuracy, providing a comprehensive look at performance metrics.

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What's Changed Since Last Time

The game of golf is constantly evolving, and TrackMan's new Tour Averages reveal some interesting trends. For example, players are now driving further with higher ball speeds and lower spin rates. Curious to see how your stats measure up against the pros? This new data offers valuable insights for players of all levels. Compare your stats against the pros during your next session at the Cave.

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Inside the Numbers: A look at the launch monitor results for 3 different PGA Tour players

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Recently, during a practice round at Quail Hollow Club ahead of the 2022 Presidents Cup , I was standing near the tee at hole No. 13, which is a par-4 measuring 504 yards.

I was briefly following a foursome of United States team members, including Tony Finau, Collin Morikawa, Max Homa, and Cameron Young.

If we’re being completely honest, I was following the group because I needed some photos of Morikawa’s custom USA Adidas shoes for a story about the custom gear that players were wearing at the Presidents Cup.

As a golfer, though, I was especially intrigued because the group was carrying around a Foresight GC Quad, and each player was taking turns ripping drivers on the long par 4. From where I was standing, I had a clear look at the launch monitor numbers that popped up on the screen after their drives.

Unfortunately, the launch monitor system didn’t properly read Finau’s numbers, but I was able to capture photos of the results for Morikawa, Homa and Young. Keep in mind that the 13th hole is a slight dogleg right where players have to either take on the bunker on the right, which is a 320-yard carry, or they play to the left of the bunker and rip it down the left side (possibly with a cut).

Let’s take a look at each players’ numbers below:

Collin Morikawa

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Ball Speed: 167 mph

Carry: 298 yards

Launch Angle: 12 degrees

Pull: 2.4 degrees left

Spin Axis: 2.0 degrees right

Total Spin: 2,099 rpm

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Ball Speed: 176 mph

Carry: 299 yards

Launch Angle: 10.7 degrees

Pull: 6.1 degrees left

Spin Axis: 12 degrees right

Total Spin: 2,885 rpm

Cameron Young

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Ball Speed: 184 mph

Carry: 339 yards

Launch Angle: 13.8 degrees

Push: 0.6 degrees right

Spin Axis: 7.0 degrees left

Total Spin: 2,059 rpm

Obviously, these are results from just one swing for each player, so it’s not representative of their overall averages. For a wider scope of PGA Tour launch monitor numbers, you can find those stats over at PGATOUR.com on the Stats page under the “radar” section at the bottom.

My biggest takeaway from the three sets of numbers listed above is simply the importance of tracking your own personal launch monitor feedback. It can be extremely informative for you to figure out what numbers are causing suboptimal distance and accuracy.

For example, Morikawa’s ball speed is just 167 mph, compared to Homa’s 176 mph of ball speed, but Morikawa’s carry distance is 298 yards, versus Homa’s 299-yard drive. On these particular drives, Morikawa’s higher launch angle (12 degrees) and lower backspin (2,099 rpm), versus Homa’s lower launch angle (10.7 degrees) and higher backspin (2,885 rpm), allows Morikawa to better maximize distance for his speed. It’s possible that Homa either mishit the shot low on the face, or he was intentionally hitting a cut, which could explain the reason that Homa’s ball didn’t fly significantly farther compared to Morikawa’s.

A lot of information can be gathered from launch monitor numbers, especially when you consult a fitter or instructor to work through your results and how to improve them. I encourage all golfers to seek out a launch monitor system, and simply hit shots with multiple clubs to figure out how far you actually hit the ball, and why it flies the way it does.

For a full breakdown of Trackman vs Foresight, check out this article here . Also, check out our full review of the Full Swing Kit below.

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Golfwrx deep dive: xxio’s 13 series.

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What’s the most well-respected, high-quality brand of golf equipment  not frequently played by PGA Tour pros? If you ask a few of your local fitters, there’s a good chance they’ll respond “XXIO.” (That said, there may be some variety in the pronunciation…more on that later)

Male professional golfers don’t play XXIO’s clubs because they’re not supposed to, which is to say, the majority of the company’s clubs are not designed for them. The average driver clubhead speed on the PGA Tour is more than 115 mph. XXIO’s 13 lineup of metals and irons is designed for players who swing their drivers at less than 100 mph. From a design perspective, it’s a completely different equation for a completely different set of needs.

Lightweight, forgiving, and easy to launch are the watchwords for XXIO’s 13 Series. And if you’re not swinging your driver more than 100 mph, your golf game will thank you for learning more about the series in this conversation with Ryan Polanco, General Manager, XXIO.

Check out the full discussion below.

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GolfWRX: Before digging into the specifics of the XXIO 13 lineup, can you settle a debate within the golf community? How do you pronounce “XXIO”?

RP: (zek) – Like “how the heck are these clubs so light and easy to swing.” (si) – Like “yes” in Español. And (oh) – like, “Oh that ball went a long way’. (zek-si-oh)

GolfWRX: For the average consumer who may have heard of XXIO but not know much more about the brand generally, how would you describe the company’s product offerings and the space XXIO occupies in the golf equipment world? Who generally plays XXIO clubs?

RP: We focus on making the best lightweight and easy-to-swing golf clubs for moderate-swing speed players (below 100 MPH).

From a product perspective, nearly every female golfer and the majority of men are perfect candidates for XXIO golf clubs. We have some of the best ladies’ clubs out there because we focus our engineering on slower swing speeds, and that requires a very different approach than every other club manufacturer out there. We also have incredible men’s clubs because most men fall into the moderate swing speed category as well.

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GolfWRX: Digging into the XXIO 13 lineup. Can you briefly describe what unites the series as a whole, what XXIO is offering golfers the 13 lineup of driver, woods, hybrids, and irons?

RP: The big thing with XXIO 13 is that this is the 13th generation of lightweight golf clubs, so our engineers focused on making these clubs easier to swing in addition to being lightweight. Previous technologies like Weight Plus and new ones that focus on enhanced COR: New Bi-Flex Face, L-Groove irons, and enhanced aerodynamics (new ActivWing) are what unite this 13th generation of XXIO golf clubs.

GolfWRX: XXIO irons have historically been excellent performers in the game improvement space.  What can you tell us about the XXIO 13 irons?

RP: The enhanced Rebound Frame technology in the Irons helps to increase ball speed (especially on shots struck lower on the face) by utilizing alternating zones of rigid and flexible sections. New for XXIO 13, we have internal grooves cut in the heel and toe to save mass and create greater flexibility for more ball speed, which previous generations did not include. These improvements help to increase COR in the center and lower portion of the face. Additionally, these irons feature the same face material we use in our fan-favorite driver to help with ball speed.

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GolfWRX: Similarly, for years, we’ve seen XXIO’s drivers as a fitter favorite in the lightweight category. Can you discuss how the XXIO 13 driver continues this trend?

RP: Yes, the XXIO driver is normally most golfers’ introduction to XXIO because they perform so well and are generally much different from the golfer’s gamer during a fitting. New for XXIO 13 is a technology called BiFlex Face which helps to expand the sweet spot, while an all-new ActivWing helps golfers hit the sweet spot more often; something many golfers will benefit from. The BiFlex Face and ActivWing technologies work together to give XXIO 13 golfers better control of their clubface, more ball speed off the face, and more forgiveness on mishits.

GolfWRX: Finally, in terms of fairway woods and hybrids, what is the XXIO 13 lineup bringing to the table?

RP: Technology-wise, BiFlex Face carries from the driver into the fairway woods for an expanded sweet spot. Our Canon Sole has been upgraded as well. Canon Sole is a floating weight pad that optimizes launch and distance, while also allowing space for improved face flex, which is especially helpful for shots struck lower on the face (a common mishit for golfers with moderate swing speeds).

GolfWRX: Among golfers who play XXIO clubs, it seems like many have been fit into driver-through-irons sets. What have you seen in terms of set makeup for golfers who go “XXIO 13” in driver-through irons? (number of fairway woods, hybrids, lofts, etc)

RP: Yes, that is normally the case. Typically, we will see golfers dive into the driver first and then continue to add clubs until they have a full bag once they experience the benefits of XXIO. Once you have a lightweight and easy-to-swing driver, having heavier, stiffer clubs through the rest of your bag just feels so different. The lofts and combinations will vary, but a driver, three fairway woods, a hybrid, and five or six irons are a common setup in many bags.

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Q&A: The truth behind Bryson DeChambeau’s new Avoda irons from company founder Thomas Bailey

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During the week of the Masters, news broke that Bryson DeChambeau was using 3D-printed irons from a relatively unknown company called Avoda Golf.

DeChambeau fired an opening-round 65 at Augusta National using the irons, sending the equipment world into a frenzy trying to figure out who the company is, and what’s different about the irons. Information about the irons, however, wasn’t so easy to find. No one really knew much about Avoda or his new iron designs.

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Then, ahead of the 2024 U.S. Open at Pinehurst, GolfWRX.com got its first in-hand look at the irons, and DeChambeau provided a public explanation of the flight-correctional “bulge” that the irons have on their faces.

DeChambeau went on to win the U.S. Open using the bulge-faced 3D-printed irons, but we still didn’t know much about the irons themselves.

Recently, GolfWRX.com spoke to Thomas Bailey, founder of Avoda Golf, to find out more about the company, and DeChambeau’s mysterious irons. Enjoy our full Q&A with Bailey below!

Andrew Tursky, GolfWRX.com: So what is Avoda? How did the company get started in the industry?

Thomas Bailey, founder of Avoda Golf: Originally, I just wanted to make myself a set of golf clubs. That’s the truth. So that’s a year ago to date of Bryson winning the U.S. Open.

It’s been a crazy year.

I wasn’t quite happy with what I was looking for from a club and what was available on the market. I played around with a lot of the same-length products for a while. I got to the point where I was grinding the heads myself, taking heads and grinding them away to get the weights I wanted, to get them the appearance how I wanted. And I got pretty dialed in on a set I wanted over a two-year period. It just felt like it had been mauled by a bench grind.

So we were using raw heads, from Kyoei, and taking them down to weight. When I say we, that’s myself and Mike Schy, Bryson’s long-time coach from out at Dragonfly Golf Club in California. We were just grinding away golf clubs, seeing if we could create the ultimate club for what I wanted; and we got it. It just felt like it had been attacked by a bench grind.

So the mission then came in to make it presentable. My brother actually worked in the firearms industry and had a lot of supplier and manufacturer relations, so he worked on finding me a manufacturer who would be happy to put together the clubs for the specs I wanted. And we got there. We went through a number of suppliers and manufacturers to try and get to the point of what we wanted. We got it and had a prototype set come in around October last year, which was spot on. It was exactly what I wanted.

The goal was when I got that set in was to maybe make 50 sets and sell them, and fund my own golf career and my own golfing habits.

So right around that time, Bryson was coming back into town. He just had a win and shot 58 with the new driver in the bag, and he wasn’t happy with irons. They didn’t complement what he’d got right with the driver. The driver had more onset with more bulge to it. The swings he was making with that and having great success off the tee just didn’t work when he went to an iron. So he was saying say he would be fighting his iron play, fighting a left miss if he made the swing he wanted to, and then fighting a right miss to compensate for it. And that would then leak back into the driver to where he’d be missing with the driver, as well. He knew he needed new irons in the bag.

I know him and Mike Schy had explored a few options to try and find someone to do the irons. Right around that point, I told Mike that I’d been working on my own set of irons, that we could always explore doing something for Bryson, as well. And that’s kind of where it started. It’s like, well, nothing to lose. Let’s go for it. Bryson was in town in September, testing some irons and stuff again, having the raw Kyoei’s and grinding them down, getting the appearance he wanted.

He was on the bench grind, as well, and they got a head, and then the conversation started around putting bulge into an iron.

Mike goes, “Well, why don’t we test bulge on an iron?”

And Bryson asked, “Can we do that?”

And it was like, well, let’s find out.

So, he actually went into the academy where he’s got his workshop and started grinding away the toe on the Kyoei heads to try and put a little bit of curvature to it.

Wait, Bryson himself was on the grinding wheel?!

TB: Bryson was on the grinding wheel shaping the club to how he wanted them to look.

We actually had my partner’s dad, he was welding up the back of the club to give him extra weight to play with on the grinding. So it was a right interesting process, but he got it down to the shape he wanted, and then they started grinding. Mike went back into the academy and started grinding away some other toe section to get some curvature on the face to start testing the bulge-face idea, and found out very quickly when he was hitting them.

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Bryson went back to hit them and said, “Yeah, this is it. This is what we need to test.”

So, I set about making two identical heads – 7-iron heads – to the specs he wanted to see weight-wise and the width of the head he wanted to see. And they were CNC forgings to start with. So we had a flat head, or flat face, and then we did an identical club with a curved face, so we could hit them, start getting some numbers, and seeing what the difference is between them. And immediately, it was a night-and-day difference on the mishits, and just the overall performance of the club. It was more than just the mishits, so we knew we needed to put it into a full set.

He had very specific requirements he wanted to see in terms of the width of the head, the appearance from the top line. He liked the thicker top line. He liked the wider blade. When you start doing that, the head weight goes through the roof, so it couldn’t be a one-piece forging. It had to be hollow-body, which also had the advantage of reducing the spin rate, which is something he’d been struggling with for a while.

So we went about putting together the first full prototype set, which came in, we had it completed around end of January this year. He did some testing with it, took it to Mayakoba, had it in the practice rounds there. He decided not to put it in play just because we overdid the face curvature to begin with, to where we’d actually see the opposite miss, not the ideal. And then we went out making another prototype round, tidying up some of the aesthetics on it a little bit, but, again, dialing in the face curvature.

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Bailey says Bryson prefers irons that have thicker top lines, wide faces from heel-to-toe, onset, and a square, symmetrical-looking face (as much as possible when there’s a curve) / Photo credit: Avoda Golf

They arrived the week before the Masters. We strongly believe we were still in a prototyping phase there, and did not expect them to be in play at The Masters. So when we found out Tuesday at the Masters that they were going in play, we went, “Uh, right.”

So him switching into the irons at the Masters was news to you, too?

TB: It was, well, there was some stuff that was going on leading up to that. He had them. He was in testing with them a week and a half before, and he took them to Miami, with the full intention of playing them in Miami.

We sent some stuff off for USGA testing, because, again, we’re still in prototyping at that point. So we sent them off. We wanted to get them tested just in case he did put them in play. We had a couple of groove issues that had to be sorted with the 3D-printing process, just some inaccuracies in the groove. His manager, Connor (Olson), over in Florida, was working hard on fixing them over the weekend before The Masters, and then we had them re-tested on the Monday.

Half the set was good to go, but we needed to get another set over there to fix a couple of clubs. So I get a call on Monday afternoon of Masters Week. I’m on the West Coast, in California, and I get a call at 4:30 in the afternoon from Connor saying we need the other set here, right now. And I’m thinking, “How am I getting this other set for you anytime soon?” And if it was Wednesday, it would have been too late for him to put them in play.

So, luckily, we rushed over to UPS. The guy said that the out-of-state overnight had already gone. We’d missed it, but he put the address in, and said we’ll see if we can get it out on the first shipment in the morning. And when I’m putting the address in, he goes, obviously, reading out the address in Augusta, and he goes, “Oh, Augusta. You going to the Masters.”

And I said, “Yeah, these are Bryson’s golf clubs.”

And he’s like, “You’re kidding me.”

Luckily, he was a golfer.

He goes, “You’re kidding.” And I’m like, “No, these are legit Bryson’s golf clubs. We need to get them there.”

So they ended up rushing them out to the truck, luckily getting them on the truck, and they made it to Augusta at 7:00 a.m. the next morning. So Connor did some work on them, and then they got approved to be used midday on Tuesday. But when we had the issues come back just before the Miami event for LIV, he didn’t put them in the bag there. So we kind of thought, right back to the drawing board. We’ll go again, get ready for the next one. But then it was a miracle to get them ready by Tuesday, we just didn’t see that coming. So yeah. And then they were in the bag.

That’s such an unbelievable story.

TB: Yeah. It’s pretty crazy.

Crazy. I mean, it seems like, you know, there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes during the week, but we didn’t really know what was happening, because he didn’t publicly come out and say everything. It’s truly unbelievable.

TB: And then having the balls to put that set in play on Tuesday of the Masters. I mean, he’d been practicing with it for a week and a half, so he knew it was good, and he was adamant he wanted to play it. So, obviously, we were gutted originally when it came back that we had the grooves issue that needed to be fixed. And then obviously to get it fixed in time. It was kind of an emotional roller coaster for us all, including him.

So with all that going on, the fact he put them in play and then goes out and shoots at opening 65 was pretty incredible to see. Then, obviously, everything went from there.

All of a sudden, it’s like, “Who’s Avoda?”

A lot of emails coming in, and a lot of interested parties.

Yeah I mean, I was scrambling. For my job, I have to keep up with the latest equipment, all the custom stuff on tour, and then all of a sudden he comes out with these. It’s like, uhh, I know absolutely nothing about these! I’ve never heard of them. I don’t know what to say!

TB: Yeah, that was funny. So, yeah, I mean, we registered the company end of last year, and the intention was for me to make myself a set of irons I was happy with, and, it will result in creating a really, really good product and a lot of interest straight away when we had people testing it.

So I thought, “OK, let’s get in 50 sets and sell fifty. Let’s see if we can build this thing to a 1,000 set a year business.” And, yeah, we smashed it a lot quicker than we thought we would. And, obviously, we cannot be more grateful to Bryson for giving us the opportunity to get it going. It’s accelerated us 5-10 years ahead of typical business growth. So yeah, it’s been pretty unbelievable. So it’s all systems go now, and getting people in the position to handle it.

Fortunately, I’ve had a lot of people around me at the time who knew I was working on this equipment and had made comments like, “If this works and this is this is a good product, we want to be there. We want to support it, and help grow the business.”

So when the clubs went in play, I sent text messages to every one of those parties: “It’s happening. Get ready.”

What an exciting moment for you and the company. So when did the 3D-printing aspect of this come in?

TB: So the 3D printing purpose of that was just for rapid prototyping. So, originally, it was CNC, the first test. And then because he needed a hollow-body head to achieve the visuals he wanted, and then all the specs he wanted, we obviously had an option of creating a mold to cast it, CNC-ing it in two pieces, or 3D printing.

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3D printing gave us the quickest option. We were testing a whole new element to golf, adding curvature on an iron, and speed, with the limited time of an off-season.

LIV, fortunately, giving him a longer off-season was great. If it was the PGA Tour, I think, well, I don’t know how we would’ve done it. We’d still be in testing, just because of how limited time there is to do that. So 3D printing gave us the option to rapid prototype, get clubs in within a few weeks to test. So, I mean, we really did go from the first full set…design work started late November, and then by late January, we had the first full prototype set.

So without the ability to 3D print that, we wouldn’t have got it done in that time frame, so it allowed us to get it done.

Where are these heads coming from? Like are you 3D printing them in-house? Are you ordering from a third party?

TB: We have an international manufacturer, so it’s third party. We do all the design work – we have a designer that’s doing that for us – and then we outsource the manufacturing. It’s been a pretty crazy process, and we’re learning a lot very quickly.

So how does it work with the consumer product? How is that working right now? How can people buy sets? What is the market saying about those? What is the feedback you’ve seen in testing when it comes to amateurs? Because I know Bryson was talking about his swing speed and how it helps him, but, you know, the consumer audience doesn’t swing it like Bryson. So, like, what have you seen with the translation there?

TB: So the products that are available for purchase right now is that initial set I put together. So I put two sets together initially, which is what we’re calling our combo-length set. I played same length for a long, long time. I’m 5-foot-9-inches with shoes on, so I’m not the tallest player. And then I’ve got freaky long arms. So, for me, I’ve always had to play my clubs slightly on the shorter side. I love the advantages of the same length set, however, playing a shorter 4-iron when it’s already shorter wasn’t helping me that much. So I needed to make the 4-iron, and the 5-iron, where I didn’t see the distance gapping dropping off. I needed to make them a little bit longer. So that’s where kind of the grinding the golf clubs came in, getting on the bench grind, taking some weight out so I could make them longer. That’s where that originally happened. So I had to set this combo-length set. Same length to the 8-iron, then progressively getting longer through the 7, 6, 5 and 4 iron.

So that’s the initial product we put together, and did the testing on. Then we released a same-length as well, because it was still requested, the same-length product. And there wasn’t really any, at the time, there isn’t a same-length forged product available, like a truly one-piece forging for the same-length market. So we wanted to provide that, as well. So we had the same-length set the whole way through, and then the combo-length set.

So that’s what’s available for purchase for the market right now. The testing on those, from what we’ve seen, just being able to bridge the gap between variable length and same length, that hasn’t been done yet. We’ve seen people who swore that they would never go to a same-length club, who are now using combo lengths, where they’re same-length from the wedge to the 8-iron, and they’re loving it. And then we’ve also seen people who swore to same-lengths, who would never go away from the same length, but did maybe struggle with a longer wedge, or struggle with speed on the 4-iron, again, going into that combo length set, so it’s really bridged the gap between the two.

We’re calling it “removing the disadvantages of both,” and just taking the best of both, and putting them into one set. So those are the sets that are available to purchase right now. The specific Bryson one is a 1-of-1 set that’s done just for him. He has the only set of that, because it’s such a specific product to him. He plays super upright and the head weights are very unique. Obviously, the face, as well the hollow-body.

My goal has always been to create a product that helps people get better. That was the one that helped him get better. I believe in the custom fitting approach, as well. I don’t plan to sell a club for the sake of it. Like, yes, there’s a massive demand for someone to purchase a specific set just like his, but it would be more just for the sake of hitting the Bryson Club, you know, as opposed to actually a club that the consumer can get better by using.   Right, right. What’s your playing background? Like, were you a designer before? Were you a player before? A professional?

TB: Bit of everything. So, I played college golf, packed in college golf after two years to try and pursue full-time golf, so I went back to the UK to pursue full-time golf. Had some injuries straight off the bat, golf swing related. So in an effort to try and get myself healthy, get myself back playing, I kind of saw everyone, did everything, and just wasn’t quite getting the results and help I needed.

And then I kind of had to dive down the rabbit hole of figuring things out for myself. Got some good advice from coaches like George Gankas along the way. He actually gave me some good information around how the body can set up, how the body can move to reduce the stress on the body. So driving down that rabbit hole actually got myself healthy again.

And then there’s a lot of other people in professional golf that are also injured at top amateur level. I had people coming to me saying they struggle with the same problems I had, golfing related. And that led me into the coaching route. So I coached full-time for about 3-4 years. Had some success in that. I coached a guy out of injury named Laird Shepherd. Coached him out of injury to winning a British amateur, and then ended up coaching a few guys out on the European Tour pretty quickly.

I always still wanted to play, so in the back of my mind, it was like, right, yes, I learned everything to try and help myself get better. I’ve got to continue to pursue my dreams of playing. So I got back playing pretty much full-time golf, came out to the U.S. the beginning of 2022 to see Mike Schy to actually build up a set of golf clubs. And then, one thing led to the next, and it kind of got me down the equipment rabbit hole, and that resulted in a major-winning set.

Going down the equipment rabbit is quite an accurate statement…

TB: Yeah, I’m always asking, “Why?” You know? I’m like, why why why? I’m that annoying kid that says, “Yeah, but why?”

I know Bryson is always saying why, too. So you guys linking up makes so much sense.

TB: It worked quite well. There’s a lot of things that we like to see that are similar in a golf club, as well, so that helps. It allowed me to go away and do the design work knowing that I’m looking for a similar thing, as well. I think the struggle that maybe he’s had in the past, and I can’t speak for him on this 100%, but he has an idea of what he wants to see in a club. He takes it away to someone, and they put what they want to see in a club. And it has to work for the mass consumer. The club that he’s playing, the clubs that these guys are all playing, it has to still be available to the mass consumer. So it has to have the element of being able to be used by everyone. Well, now he has the opportunity to create his set.

So when we did the first run of design work and he said what he wanted to see in a club, it was like, okay, let’s do exactly that, and let’s come back with exactly that. And then if he if he wants to make adjustments from there, he’s making adjustments on what he wants to see. So there’s no, like, fighting in the sense of what I want see in the club. If this is what you want to see, that’s what we’re going to design.

And I know he alluded to it a couple times, but is it a progressive bulge that’s going on through the set? So the 9-iron isn’t quite as curved, 7-iron’s a little more curved, and then 5-iron has the max curve? Is that correct?

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TB: Yeah. Okay. So the 5-iron, his being 17 degrees in loft and him swinging a 5-iron faster than most people swing a 3-wood, it’s got to have some curvature on it. It’s got a good amount on it, and then progressively tapers off to being nonexistent. So it tapers out to his pitching wedge to where it’s minimal and then becomes flat through his wedges.

And that’s not what the consumer is necessarily buying, right?

TB: No, our products that are available are flat-faced. They are traditional one-piece premium forging. The advantage of ours are more based around how the set’s put together in terms of the length, the weighting, the shaft options, the customization on that, as opposed to the face curvature. Yeah. Right now, the face curvature is just specific to him.

OK, OK. You’re sitting on an absolutely unbelievable story here. It’s so cool from a gear perspective. A lot of things have been coming together very quickly, and of course he goes and wins the U.S. Open with them in the bag. How are you handling things on the production side?

TB: We’ve been labeled as a DTC brand straight away off the bat. We didn’t have an opportunity to be anything else. Things seemed to accelerate so quickly. So right now, we are working. Obviously, the demand’s been huge. People have been calling. We’re receiving hundreds of phone calls, fitting centers asking if they have our clubs. So we’ve got an awesome demand for people wanting to have our fitting kits and be able to offer our equipment.

I believe in that room more than anything, having someone be able to go and test the club. And if they test the club and they decide they don’t want to go with our club, great. We need to do better, and we need to bring out a better product. We’re pretty confident that when they test it, and go through our fitting system, that they will get a very, very well-fitted club that they will have a lot of success with. So getting out to a custom fitters to offer that option to people to go test.

And if we did have that in place from that first week at the Masters, yeah, business would be 10x what it is right now, but, obviously, we were very unaware that we would be in that position so quickly. I mean, we were we were on the fourth month of, or maybe even the third month at that point, of really actually having a full set. So, yeah, it’s accelerated very quickly, but we’re fast learners, and we’re going to deal with the demand. But getting out to custom fitting centers is our number one priority right now, so people can actually go test, and actually have that experience.

I definitely agree on the custom fitting aspect. Well, I’ve taken up way too much of your time, and those are all the questions I have for now. I feel like we cleared up a lot, though. Congratulations on all the success so far, and we look forward to hearing more from you next time.

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By mkidding July 11, 2023 in Tour Talk

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I think probably most of us have seen this chart - however I just realized that this is from 2015 and was never updated since. Does anyone know if an updated version after 8 years would show up sometime soon? Or do we have any Trackman (or Foresight or other tour-level tracker) rep here that can kindly ask for a more up-to-date version of this?

Very curious to see if the data has changed, not just the club speed of course, but also attack angle, launch, spin, etc.

Also one question that I always have - why is tour avg. Driver attack angle is negative. I thought nowadays almost all instructors are teaching us to hit-up (resulting in a positive attack angle) on the driver.

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Update: hand picked a couple of pros and here are their numbers - I would believe most of them are "hitting up" to the ball, esp Rickie, Rory and Scottie. Hope for more discussion though:

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I think probably most of us have seen this chart - however I just realized that this is from 2015 and was never updated since. Does anyone know if an updated version after 8 years would show up someti

The launch conditions that are optimal for a tour-caliber player in tournament conditions are much different than the optimal launch conditions for a regular (or even very good single digit) player ha

I've contacted Klaus and Morten Eldrup-Jørgensen.  Hoping to get some answers by Friday. 

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4 minutes ago, mkidding said: I think probably most of us have seen this chart - however I just realized that this is from 2015 and was never updated since. Does anyone know if an updated version after 8 years would show up sometime soon? Or do we have any Trackman (or Foresight or other tour-level tracker) rep here that can kindly ask for a more up-to-date version of this?   Very curious to see if the data has changed, not just the club speed of course, but also attack angle, launch, spin, etc.   Also one question that I always have - why is tour avg. Driver attack angle is negative. I thought nowadays almost all instructors are teaching us to hit-up (resulting in a positive attack angle) on the driver.  

Just cause something is being taught doesnt mean old dogs will learn it ;}

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AoA, as all data in this, are averages. Some are up and some are down. The average person wants three things from a lesson. The first is more distance. Hitting up is the fastest way for them to get that with the same swing speed.

I want more distance, and I want it now!

It’s a lot of work to get data. Trackman was in growth stage then and did a lot to help people understand impact cause and effect. It was new information about it and put them on the map. Unless your get a return on all that time and effort, it’s hard to justify.

The problem is that chasing tour averages of anything in instruction isn’t realistic or helpful. No one is average.

i don’t need no stinkin’ shift key

I've contacted  Klaus and Morten Eldrup-Jørgensen . 

Hoping to get some answers by Friday. 

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@mkidding  if you go to the PGA Tour stats page they now have a section called "Radar" which will give you all the raw data for the driver.

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The launch conditions that are optimal for a tour-caliber player in tournament conditions are much different than the optimal launch conditions for a regular (or even very good single digit) player hacking it around a muni or nice club. 

Tour angle of attack with driver tend to be neutral/negative for control reasons vs. flat out maximizing distance. 

Mortals need higher angle of attack to achieve higher launch to achieve higher apex to achieve optimal distance, because they don't have the same ball speed. When you have an abundance of speed, two things are true: (1) you don't actually need to launch it as high, i.e. you can get pretty close to optimal with 10 or 11* launch vs closer to 13 for someone with a slower swing speed and (2) the marginal gain from each increased yard of distance is not nearly as important at 300 vs 310 as it is at 250 vs 260. So the optimum is actually to gravitate towards parameters that hit it far enough with sufficient control vs. just maximizing distance outright. Nonetheless, all of those guys are certainly capable of teeing it high and letting it rip with a positive AOA when necessary. It just isn't necessary or valuable on all that many holes. 

You will observe something similar when comparing LPGA tour launch conditions vs PGA tour launch conditions with driver. LPGA AOA average is closer to 3 or 3.5 IIRC, which is probably closer to optimal for most amateurs. 

the other thing I'd keep in mind is that the economic incentive for instructors is for you to come back, i.e. feel like you are playing better rather than necessarily actually playing better. A lot of amateurs would be best off playing a ball flight that goes substantially shorter but gets the ball in play a higher percentage of the time. It's the same reason you see so much instruction out there on "how to hit a draw". You need to be really, really good for a draw to make sense as a desirable stock ball flight. But a lot of the golf market associates draw=good because slice=bad. My 12 handicap brother has been obsessed with hitting draws for the last 5 years even though I kick his a** by 15 shots every round hitting a fade. It boggles the mind. 

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From PGA Stats Radar:

  • Median  10.5°

The average hides the fact that PGA pro's launch at a surprisingly wide variance of launch conditions.  Spin rates vary from 2200 to just over 3000rpm.  Tour average ball speed is now 173mph, ranging from 156mph to 191mph.  At first glance I don't think the driver numbers have changed that dramatically in the last 8 years.  Slight bump in average ball speed.  Thats all I see. 

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52 minutes ago, MattC555 said: From PGA Stats Radar:   Launch High 13.5° Median  10.5° Low 6.2°   The average hides the fact that PGA pro's launch at a surprisingly wide variance of launch conditions.  Spin rates vary from 2200 to just over 3000rpm.  Tour average ball speed is now 173mph, ranging from 156mph to 191mph.  At first glance I don't think the driver numbers have changed that dramatically in the last 8 years.  Slight bump in average ball speed.  Thats all I see. 

oddly enough i bet every pro worth anything can adjust there launch angle based on conditions and how theyre playing so even a massive hitter like rahm can do low launches if he fills he needs more fairways and less distance.

1 hour ago, mbb86 said: The launch conditions that are optimal for a tour-caliber player in tournament conditions are much different than the optimal launch conditions for a regular (or even very good single digit) player hacking it around a muni or nice club.    Tour angle of attack with driver tend to be neutral/negative for control reasons vs. flat out maximizing distance.    Mortals need higher angle of attack to achieve higher launch to achieve higher apex to achieve optimal distance, because they don't have the same ball speed. When you have an abundance of speed, two things are true: (1) you don't actually need to launch it as high, i.e. you can get pretty close to optimal with 10 or 11* launch vs closer to 13 for someone with a slower swing speed and (2) the marginal gain from each increased yard of distance is not nearly as important at 300 vs 310 as it is at 250 vs 260. So the optimum is actually to gravitate towards parameters that hit it far enough with sufficient control vs. just maximizing distance outright. Nonetheless, all of those guys are certainly capable of teeing it high and letting it rip with a positive AOA when necessary. It just isn't necessary or valuable on all that many holes.    You will observe something similar when comparing LPGA tour launch conditions vs PGA tour launch conditions with driver. LPGA AOA average is closer to 3 or 3.5 IIRC, which is probably closer to optimal for most amateurs.    the other thing I'd keep in mind is that the economic incentive for instructors is for you to come back, i.e. feel like you are playing better rather than necessarily actually playing better. A lot of amateurs would be best off playing a ball flight that goes substantially shorter but gets the ball in play a higher percentage of the time. It's the same reason you see so much instruction out there on "how to hit a draw". You need to be really, really good for a draw to make sense as a desirable stock ball flight. But a lot of the golf market associates draw=good because slice=bad. My 12 handicap brother has been obsessed with hitting draws for the last 5 years even though I kick his a** by 15 shots every round hitting a fade. It boggles the mind. 

slice != fade || draw != hook. saying people should hit a slice is equivalent to saying they should hit a hook

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Seems like 180mph+ ball speeds are the norm these days.  

174-179 dime a dozen.  Those are amazing numbers imo. 

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Regarding AoA, had always heard that since most of these guys are adequately long for the courses they are playing, they sacrifice a touch of distance in exchange for keeping the ball lower and a little more controllable.  That saw may be incorrect at this point though.

Regarding differences between now and 2015, I would bet that spin rate has come down some with driver to more in the 2400-2200 range.

5 minutes ago, smashdn said: Regarding AoA, had always heard that since most of these guys are adequately long for the courses they are playing, they sacrifice a touch of distance in exchange for keeping the ball lower and a little more controllable.  That saw may be incorrect at this point though.   Regarding differences between now and 2015, I would bet that spin rate has come down some with driver to more in the 2400-2200 range.

Average spin rate this year is  2555.6rpm.  Last year just short of 2600rpm.  The driver numbers are very similar to what was reported in 2015.  Slightly more ball speed, slightly less spin.  Club head speed has increased 2mph from 113mph to 115mph. 

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7 hours ago, jvincent said: @mkidding  if you go to the PGA Tour stats page they now have a section called "Radar" which will give you all the raw data for the driver.

Thanks for the tips. There's no attack angle data but here are some people's stat that I picked out for reference. It's hard to believe they carry a neg. attack angle IMO

Anyways, updated the original post on top.

I'm more interested in the iron data than driver. Pretty clear that the guys are absolutely launching the driver now and the the newer players are swinging faster and faster. It also appears that pros aren't as steep with their irons as they used to be. Divots look to be much smaller and shallower. 

Guessing that 7i numbers are closer to:

98-100 mph swing speed

130-135 ball speed

-2 or -3 AoA

Carry distance 180-190

Assuming that pros are using 7 irons with 32-34 degrees of loft.

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2 hours ago, mgoblue83 said: I'm more interested in the iron data than driver. Pretty clear that the guys are absolutely launching the driver now and the the newer players are swinging faster and faster. It also appears that pros aren't as steep with their irons as they used to be. Divots look to be much smaller and shallower.    Guessing that 7i numbers are closer to: 98-100 mph swing speed 130-135 ball speed -2 or -3 AoA Spin 6000 Carry distance 180-190   Assuming that pros are using 7 irons with 32-34 degrees of loft.

I would expect to see very similar numbers just with slightly higher club and ball speed. With the tour averaging 115 with the driver you can extrapolate it to around 92-93. Pros aren't looking to reduce spin with short and mid irons. 

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30 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:   I would expect to see very similar numbers just with slightly higher club and ball speed. With the tour averaging 115 with the driver you can extrapolate it to around 92-93. Pros aren't looking to reduce spin with short and mid irons. 

This is why we need actual data. Who knows how accurate the broadcasts are but alI I saw on the US Open coverage was 7i ball speeds over 130mph and carrying 190~ yds. 

My own numbers with a 36 degree blade 7i are 98~ swing speed, 129~ ball speed, 7200~ spin and 180~ carry and I'm almost positive most pros are using less loft (34 probably) and swinging at least as fast.

The other thing that would be nice to see is the median numbers instead of the averages. I know the tour is becoming younger and faster and while there definitely some old guys bringing down the average I'd almost guarantee that the IQR (25th-75th percentile) is significantly faster than the old Trackman averages. 

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On 7/11/2023 at 6:24 AM, Soloman1 said: AoA, as all data in this, are averages. Some are up and some are down. The average person wants three things from a lesson. The first is more distance. Hitting up is the fastest way for them to get that with the same swing speed.   I want more distance, and I want it now!   It’s a lot of work to get data. Trackman was in growth stage then and did a lot to help people understand impact cause and effect. It was new information about it and put them on the map. Unless your get a return on all that time and effort, it’s hard to justify.   The problem is that chasing tour averages of anything in instruction isn’t realistic or helpful. No one is average.

No one may be average, and we can’t be sure without more info, but it is almost certain that a lot of people are in a pretty small space really close to it.

2 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:   This is why we need actual data. Who knows how accurate the broadcasts are but alI I saw on the US Open coverage was 7i ball speeds over 130mph and carrying 190~ yds.    My own numbers with a 36 degree 7i are 98~ swing speed, 129~ ball speed and 180~ carry and I'm almost positive most pros are using less loft (34 probably) and swinging at least as fast.    The other thing that would be nice to see is the median numbers instead of the averages. I know the tour is becoming younger and faster and while there definitely some old guys bringing down the average I'd almost guarantee that the IQR (25th-75th percentile) is significantly faster than the old Trackman averages. 

All fair points but you are probably a touch faster than the average PGA player. It would be nice to have the data. I think you are probably correct on loft as 36 is quite weak nowadays. I would guess 33-34 range, which in your case would yield more ball speed immediately and you are at the 130+ number. 

Here is Keegan with a 6 iron, though we don't have his swing speed or ball speed. He is very close to tour average club head speed:

https://golf.com/news/launch-monitor-numbers-keegan-bradley-trackman/

I tinkered with the trajectory optimizer and would guess he's 96-97 with 6 iron, which would put him 94-95 with 7. I think that's likely to be closer than my initial estimate, as the radar stats on the TOUR site include more than just driver afaik.

Here is JT at 99 with a 6 iron (though it's from 5 years ago), he's slightly above average ball speed:

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/

27 minutes ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:   All fair points but you are probably a touch faster than the average PGA player. It would be nice to have the data. I think you are probably correct on loft as 36 is quite weak nowadays. I would guess 33-34 range, which in your case would yield more ball speed immediately and you are at the 130+ number.    Here is Keegan with a 6 iron, though we don't have his swing speed or ball speed. He is very close to tour average club head speed:   https://golf.com/news/launch-monitor-numbers-keegan-bradley-trackman/   I tinkered with the trajectory optimizer and would guess he's 96-97 with 6 iron, which would put him 94-95 with 7. I think that's likely to be closer than my initial estimate, as the radar stats on the TOUR site include more than just driver afaik.   Here is JT at 99 with a 6 iron (though it's from 5 years ago), he's slightly above average ball speed:   https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/        

Really interesting stuff but I would bet almost anything that JT is closer to the median PGA tour speed than Keegan is. Speaking of Keegan my mind is blown that he wants his 6i swing plane under 54 degrees. I don't even know how that's physically possible especially for a tall guy like Keegan. My driver swing plane is higher than that.... Also that swing looked like a chip shot. No way that's his game speed.

53 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:   Really interesting stuff but I would bet almost anything that JT is closer to the median PGA tour speed than Keegan is. Speaking of Keegan my mind is blown that he wants his 6i swing plane under 54 degrees. I don't even know how that's physically possible especially for a tall guy like Keegan. My driver swing plane is higher than that.... Also that swing looked like a chip shot. No way that's his game speed.

JT is 77 out 190 for driver CHS.  Keegan is 102.

On 7/11/2023 at 8:24 AM, Ferguson said: I've contacted  Klaus and Morten Eldrup-Jørgensen .  Hoping to get some answers by Friday. 
21 hours ago, Chunkitgood said: No one may be average, and we can’t be sure without more info, but it is almost certain that a lot of people are in a pretty small space really close to it.

That isn’t the case with range of motion. It’s a wide band.

Optimum AoA for any player depends on variables in equipment, physical attributes and swing (particularly swing plane).

Even for a data guy like me, sometimes numbers are a distraction. Impact geometry, spin and ball flight result is more productive because optimum AoA can be different for individuals.

Chasing one parameter is one of the best ways I know to turn a 1 handicap into an 8.

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On 7/13/2023 at 12:15 PM, Ferguson said:     Q1, 2024    Thanks.

As Q1 2024 is over, any news on the release of updated figures as per the indication mentioned in this thread?

3 hours ago, RaisyDaisy said:   As Q1 2024 is over, any news on the release of updated figures as per the indication mentioned in this thread?

The bottleneck is  Fredrik Tuxen, engineer.  Tuxey, as they call him, should have some answers for us around the middle of June.

Mike Hall has a recent article. (How far PGA Tour Players carry their drives)

  • 3 weeks later...

I'm also looking for current numbers, but there is an update from 2017 which is pretty much the same as 2015... https://blog.trackmangolf.com/2017-pga-lpga-tour-avg/

  • 2 weeks later...

FYI they just posted an update

Still negative AOA for Driver which is surprising

https://www.trackman.com/blog/golf/introducing-updated-tour-averages

Average carry of 282 is just incredible.  I’ve seen Jordan Spieth hit 180mph ball speeds so he has picked up around 10mph ball speed from not long ago.   Different ball game these days. 

On 7/11/2023 at 9:27 AM, mbb86 said: The launch conditions that are optimal for a tour-caliber player in tournament conditions are much different than the optimal launch conditions for a regular (or even very good single digit) player hacking it around a muni or nice club.    Tour angle of attack with driver tend to be neutral/negative for control reasons vs. flat out maximizing distance.    Mortals need higher angle of attack to achieve higher launch to achieve higher apex to achieve optimal distance, because they don't have the same ball speed. When you have an abundance of speed, two things are true: (1) you don't actually need to launch it as high, i.e. you can get pretty close to optimal with 10 or 11* launch vs closer to 13 for someone with a slower swing speed and (2) the marginal gain from each increased yard of distance is not nearly as important at 300 vs 310 as it is at 250 vs 260. So the optimum is actually to gravitate towards parameters that hit it far enough with sufficient control vs. just maximizing distance outright. Nonetheless, all of those guys are certainly capable of teeing it high and letting it rip with a positive AOA when necessary. It just isn't necessary or valuable on all that many holes.    You will observe something similar when comparing LPGA tour launch conditions vs PGA tour launch conditions with driver. LPGA AOA average is closer to 3 or 3.5 IIRC, which is probably closer to optimal for most amateurs.    the other thing I'd keep in mind is that the economic incentive for instructors is for you to come back, i.e. feel like you are playing better rather than necessarily actually playing better. A lot of amateurs would be best off playing a ball flight that goes substantially shorter but gets the ball in play a higher percentage of the time. mind. 

"It's the same reason you see so much instruction out there on "how to hit a draw". You need to be really, really good for a draw to make sense as a desirable stock ball flight. But a lot of the golf market associates draw=good because slice=bad. My 12 handicap brother has been obsessed with hitting draws for the last 5 years even though I kick his a** by 15 shots every round hitting a fade. It boggles the"

Truer words have never been spoken. My game with a fade was fine until I took a lesson to learn how to hit a draw consistently. I lost my game and my motivation to play the game, that was five years ago. I still play, but nothing like when I was posting good scores. For the Amateurs and Professionals......an added 10 yards is the "Holy Grail"

Is there any question as to why most golfers disagree with a rollback?

As for me, I'll continue to search for the consistent fade that I should have appreciated in the first place. 🙂 🙂

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1 hour ago, hogan2017 said: FYI they just posted an update   Still negative AOA for Driver which is surprising   https://www.trackman.com/blog/golf/introducing-updated-tour-averages

Crazy to me how those ladies and gentlemen hit each club on average, PW to driver, the same height, and how low they get their launch angles. They have some serious hands forward delofting compression.  

leezer99

Would be interesting in seeing who the most average player is.

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